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[Q 5:32] On that account: "We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land."
[Q 5:32] On that account: "We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land."
PS : (Ce que dit le Talmud est en rouge. Le reste a été ajouté par Mahomet.)
What many people seem to be ignorant of or overlook is that this is directly plagiarized this saying directly from the Jewish Talmud and it never was a command from Allah. It was a commentary made on Genesis 4:10 made by a rabbi in the 2nd or 3rd century AD.
This rabbi said Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5 " We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, "The voice of thy brother's bloods crieth" (Gen. 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race." Jerusalem Talmud, Sanhedrin 4:8 (37a) "Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."
So rabbi's interpretation on genesis 4:10 made its way into the Koran some 400 years later as a command from god for the children of Israel after Cain killed Abel something it never was. this saying did not exist until looong after the torah was 1st written so if it was a command from Allah after Cain killed Abel for the children of Israel it was very slow in coming. Either This Rabbi became Allah and time traveled back in time to issue the aforesaid “command” or Mohammad got it wrong confusing the Torah with the Talmud which I think is far more likely.
Lol Its absurd that something that was never anything more than a Talmudic exegetical commentary on the reason the torah uses bloods in the plural form in Genesis 4:10 could ever be misinterpreted in this way but we cant expect much from Mohammad can we?
S'il fallait donner une preuve irréfutable que le Coran n'est pas une révélation divine, celle-ci en est une, et il y en a beaucoup d'autres. Allah citait le Talmud et croyait citer la Torah. De plus, et le Talmud et la Torah sont mal cités et mal interprétés.
Obama, historien:
In his speech to the Muslim world in Cairo, President Barack Obama claimed: “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar University — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing.”
Obama is not much of a “student of history” if he believes this. Almost every advance he attributes to the Muslims was due to someone else.
The non-Muslim Chinese invented the magnetic compass and printing (Gutenberg invented not printing, but movable type). The non-Muslim Hindu Indians invented algebra and the decimal numbering system. The non-Muslim European Christians invented the university.
I can’t address advances in medicine, but I have studied the history of astronomy and physics. The Muslims contributed nothing.
All modern physics descends from Galileo (1564 -1642); all modern astronomy from Copernicus (1473-1543). If you study Galileo’s works carefully, as I have, you see that he started with the achievements of the Greek mathematical physicist Archimedes of Syracuse (c. 287 BC - c. 212 BC). If you study Copernicus’ works carefully, as I have, you will see that Copernicus’ great book On the Revolutions is essentially a heliocentric re-working of the geocentric astronomy textbook by the Greek Ptolemy (c. 90 AD - 168 AD). Copernicus mostly used even Ptolemy’s data for the positions of the planets.
Note the dates for Archimedes/Galileo and Ptolemy/Copernicus. It is as if the Muslim world never existed. As far as their fundamental contributions to physics and astronomy, it did not.
What many people seem to be ignorant of or overlook is that this is directly plagiarized this saying directly from the Jewish Talmud and it never was a command from Allah. It was a commentary made on Genesis 4:10 made by a rabbi in the 2nd or 3rd century AD.
This rabbi said Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5 " We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, "The voice of thy brother's bloods crieth" (Gen. 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race." Jerusalem Talmud, Sanhedrin 4:8 (37a) "Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."
So rabbi's interpretation on genesis 4:10 made its way into the Koran some 400 years later as a command from god for the children of Israel after Cain killed Abel something it never was. this saying did not exist until looong after the torah was 1st written so if it was a command from Allah after Cain killed Abel for the children of Israel it was very slow in coming. Either This Rabbi became Allah and time traveled back in time to issue the aforesaid “command” or Mohammad got it wrong confusing the Torah with the Talmud which I think is far more likely.
Lol Its absurd that something that was never anything more than a Talmudic exegetical commentary on the reason the torah uses bloods in the plural form in Genesis 4:10 could ever be misinterpreted in this way but we cant expect much from Mohammad can we?
S'il fallait donner une preuve irréfutable que le Coran n'est pas une révélation divine, celle-ci en est une, et il y en a beaucoup d'autres. Allah citait le Talmud et croyait citer la Torah. De plus, et le Talmud et la Torah sont mal cités et mal interprétés.
Obama, historien:
In his speech to the Muslim world in Cairo, President Barack Obama claimed: “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam. It was Islam — at places like Al-Azhar University — that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe’s Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing.”
Obama is not much of a “student of history” if he believes this. Almost every advance he attributes to the Muslims was due to someone else.
The non-Muslim Chinese invented the magnetic compass and printing (Gutenberg invented not printing, but movable type). The non-Muslim Hindu Indians invented algebra and the decimal numbering system. The non-Muslim European Christians invented the university.
I can’t address advances in medicine, but I have studied the history of astronomy and physics. The Muslims contributed nothing.
All modern physics descends from Galileo (1564 -1642); all modern astronomy from Copernicus (1473-1543). If you study Galileo’s works carefully, as I have, you see that he started with the achievements of the Greek mathematical physicist Archimedes of Syracuse (c. 287 BC - c. 212 BC). If you study Copernicus’ works carefully, as I have, you will see that Copernicus’ great book On the Revolutions is essentially a heliocentric re-working of the geocentric astronomy textbook by the Greek Ptolemy (c. 90 AD - 168 AD). Copernicus mostly used even Ptolemy’s data for the positions of the planets.
Note the dates for Archimedes/Galileo and Ptolemy/Copernicus. It is as if the Muslim world never existed. As far as their fundamental contributions to physics and astronomy, it did not.
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